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MemberGiganDec-10-2014 12:45 PMTitle will be changed when Official title is released
Yes! This is the official Toho Godzilla 2016 discussion thread, to stop clutter, here you will discuss everything you have to say about the Revival of the Japanese Godzilla! It can be anything from, his design, to the plot of the film.
Here is what i have to say on certain questions: "What will the plot be about?" I think it will be a solo Godzilla film, maybe even a remake of 1954 since they have never done that before.
"What will Godzilla look like?"I think he will be broad and intimidating like Heisei, yet lean and Muscular like Final wars.
So thats my questions, you discuss anything you want about the film now! Power to the King!
Good grief.
Gman and Danielle, I have just found out that the AoT movie will indeed be a mixture of CGI and Tokusatsu, like the ad. I apologize, but on the other-hand, that just reinforces the original point, that the two could work great together in a film.
And this is my first expirience with a new Toho Godzilla coming out, as I was born in 1998, I never experienced the excitement of waiting for the latest movie, as I also didn't discover Godzilla until about 6 years ago. As Jamaal said, it's not that Godzilla (2014) was bad, but it seems right that Toho should be making the movies, I look forward to waiting anxiously for snippets of news coming out.
The main things I would want from this new Godzilla is Tokusatsu and a clear message regarding the dangers of Nuclear weaponry. That's one of the things Godzilla 2014 did kind of poorly on.
It'd also be pretty cool to see a stand-alone movie. After Godzilla 2014 and it's massive focus on the new Muto monsters, it'd be refreshing to see a Godzilla movie surrounding the big G himself.
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I think the 2014 movie did a great job with the nuclear theme they just sorta used the wrong monster to get it across. Agreed with the Tokusatsu and a stronger emphasis on Godzilla though.
And this is my first expirience with a new Toho Godzilla coming out
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I thought that the new Godzilla focused more on trying to control nature, as Dr. Serizawa blatantly said in the film. Like how humans tried to interfer, but made very little impact (apart from Ford) on the outcome of the battle, and how the humans tried to control the MUTOs and Godzilla by leading thema round with a bomb, but nature had other plans.
I wouldn't really want to see the new movie focused on Nuclear weapons, because that's been done before, but maybe focus on other issues in society today, just like how nukes were an issue in the 50's, space exploration in the 60's (a three-headed dragon from space comes down and kills everything), and pollution and taking care of the earth in the 70's (Hedorah, along with others).
If the new Toho Godzilla film is going to be thoroughly Japanese, then the theme of the dangers and the actualized catastrophic nature of nuclear weapons has to be at the heart of the film's narrative. Because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan has earned this. In fact, references to the atomic bombings of those cities would not only be appropriate, but chilling. I think some sort of visual is needed, even if in a nightmare sequence. In Gojira, he was the Bomb personified. This menace has not gone away with the passage of time. It's always relevant. It is with us today. The East Asia/Western Pacific Region being on the brink of disaster because of a looming nuclear conflict is at the heart of the symbol that is Godzilla._
So yes, I am in agreement with Daikaiju_Danielle regarding the importance of this theme. What better symbol for it than Godzilla, a creature mutated by the Bomb?
I would also like to see a sequece that shows, even in silhouette, Godzilla sometime after the Operation Bravo blast in 1954. For this reason, I would like to see a design for Godzilla that is essentially an updated, modified version of the Shodai-Goji. What would be a better way to demonstrate the 'Toho-ness' of Godzilla than by using a design that looks strikingly like the original from the film that started it all? This would recenter the mythos of Godzilla around nuclear weapons as the cause of his mutation and becoming a monster.
Then, the attacks on the shipping lines could follow. Some of these I would like to see in the new film, fully updated SPFX-wise and horrifyingly portrayed. This part of the film should be shocking with a POV that is not that of a camerman who just happens to be capturing a shot.
I would also like to see a sequence that shows, even in silhouette, Godzilla sometime after the Operation Bravo blast in 1954. For this reason, I would like to see a design for Godzilla that is essentially an updated, modified version of the Shodai-Goji. What would be a better way to demonstrate the 'Toho-ness' of Godzilla than by using a design that looks strikingly like the original from the film that started it all? This would recenter the mythos of Godzilla around nuclear weapons as the cause of his mutation and becoming a monster.
I would also like to see a sequence that shows, even in silhouette, Godzilla sometime after the Operation Bravo blast in 1954. For this reason, I would like to see a design for Godzilla that is essentially an updated, modified version of the Shodai-Goji. What would be a better way to demonstrate the 'Toho-ness' of Godzilla than by using a design that looks strikingly like the original from the film that started it all? This would recenter the mythos of Godzilla around nuclear weapons as the cause of his mutation and becoming a monster.
I would also like to see a sequence that shows, even in silhouette, Godzilla sometime after the Operation Bravo blast in 1954. For this reason, I would like to see a design for Godzilla that is essentially an updated, modified version of the Shodai-Goji. What would be a better way to demonstrate the 'Toho-ness' of Godzilla than by using a design that looks strikingly like the original from the film that started it all? This would recenter the mythos of Godzilla around nuclear weapons as the cause of his mutation and becoming a monster.
The idea that the nuclear bomb testing in the Pacific in the 1950's was actually an attempt to kill G Then, the attacks on the shipping lines could follow. Some of these I would like to see in the new film, fully updated SPFX-wise and horrifyingly portrayed. This part of the film should be shocking with a POV that is not that of a cameraman who just happens to be capturing a shot.
The idea that the nuclear bomb testing in the Pacific in the 1950's was actually an attempt to kill G Then, the attacks on the shipping lines could follow. Some of these I would like to see in the new film, fully updated SPFX-wise and horrifyingly portrayed. This part of the film should be shocking with a POV that is not that of a cameraman who just happens to be capturing a shot.
What I was trying to post included that although the nuclear 'testing' in the Pacific in the 1950's were actually attempts to kill him, it moves responsibility for the victimization of Godzilla and the cause of his mutation away from the only country to have dropped nuclear weapons on populated areas. Toho, speaking on behalf of Japan, past and present generations, needs to bring this home and never let anyone forget it. I would like to see Godzilla portrayed after the blast as somewhat sorrowful, confused and then angry. This would be followed by the attacks on the shipping lines. Godzilla's disposition after the blast would mirror that of the Japanese nation after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
NerdyBandGeeks,
I agree that much of the new film focused on a man vs. nature theme, but the nuclear element was largely still there. Nuclear proliferation is the entire reason Godzilla surfaced. It's what prompted nuclear testing. It's the whole reason the MUTO were attracted to a power plant and the waste is what resurrected the dormant spore in Nevada. And it being shamelessly used to both lure and destroy Godzilla and the MUTOs was a moment of nuclear weapons/power being thoughtlessly thrown around. It's hard to get by with Godzilla without the words "nuclear" and "radioactive" being brought up at some point.
It might be interesting if Toho considerd the idea of situating Godzilla's appearance, or return, within some regional political/military conflict. It might be controversial, but it could have the effect of being cathartic, given the numerous threats Japan has on its periphery: Russia, China, and North Korea. While being within the comfort zone of traditional tokusatsu in some ways, I feel the story should be ambitious without, however, being 'all over the place.' It will take heroism on a national scale to see the nation through this most ultimate of crises. I really hope they cast someone really convincing for the leads, and that the direction is passionate and daring. Real people, not stereotypes or rip-offs of other films and genres. I feel that a story with a catharsis at its heart would appeal to fans and non-fans alike. There's nothing like purging oneself of fears by experiencing them. A lot in the way of political statements could be made, without being heavy-handed, if written with heart and directed with purpose.
This is a great oppurtunity. I hope it isn't entirely driven by a desire to cash in on the success of the Legendary film.
While I'm wishing here: a sequence revealing the affects of the Operation Bravo blast and the subsequent attacks on the shipping lines, with updated digital and practical effects, would give us something that would be in an origin film, but in a story that is current. This would also serve the purpose of helping to distinguish Toho's Godzilla from the Legendary one. I would like to see the fireball, the mushroom cloud, the exposure of the Daigo Fukuryu Maro (Lucky Dragon Five) to the radiation and...a newly irradiated and mutated Godzilla. It wouldn't have to take a lot of time. In fact, it could be accomplished with little or even no dialogue. It's visuals that would be important. The less talk, the better. This is where and why it all started. A stunning and visceral visual presentation of this event, Operation Bravo and its results, could set the tone for the whole film. It would also be, IMHO, a rather nice homage to the 1954 original. I want the whoever sees this film to be gripped by it and made unable to look away.
I guess it all really comes down to the tone of the film; whether it will be an artistic, serious film that attempts to deliver an important mesage, or a more pop cultural savy, commercial spectacle meant to appeal to the masses. Think of it as the difference between Godzilla 54 and Godzilla vs the Sea Monster... one was a serious, artistic endevour, and the other was pure colorful entertainment. At this point, its anyone's guess what tone Toho will go for with this new film. Something more colorful and fun will diferentiate it the film from Legendary's series, but could hurt Godzilla's new serious image. My money is on something akin to Godzilla 2000: a serious take on a Godzilla story with fun elements that do not distract from the seriousness of the plot. This film has the potential to be an EVEN DARKER film than Legendary's, if that's the direction they choose to go in. Its all about waiting now... lets hope we hear something soon. :)
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I would really like Goji to look similar GyakushuGoji:
I just like the foward eyes, giant fangs, and overall shape of his body (not too bulky and not too skinny).
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I would love to see an updated, well-crafted version of the Gyakushu-Goji as well. And for the reasons you mentioned. IMO, it would work very well in a story with dark elements.
I've always loved this design and would like to see enhanced with CGI.