
KManX89
MemberMothra LarvaeNov-28-2014 10:51 AMAlright, guys, as we all know, Edwards and Tull have acquired the rights to King Ghidorah for this new Godzilla franchise from Legendary, and I've heard many different fan theories all over the internet, YT vids/comment section, other forums, etc on how they may-or potentially could-incorporate him into this trilogy, so I wanna know: how would YOU pull it off? Mind you, this rebooted franchise prides itself on a "grounded" setting, so it has to be done as realistically as possible, which is a tall order seeing how he's the least realistic of all the Toho monsters, but it must be done.
Anyways, I've shared my idea for a reimagined Ghidorah origin in the past, but I thought I'd tweak it a bit after giving it some thought, so my origin idea goes as follows: a trio of bipedal, winged serpent creatures known as Hydras, which are, in fact, prehistoric snakes evolved from consuming the same nuclear energy as Godzilla and all other kaiju that existed during his time, are discovered in a pod in a lake somewhere by the Mayans (centuries later during the human's time on earth, of course), who bow to a God-like entity as the "King of Terror". The humans, after eventually learning of their existence, try to hunt them down, which forces the Mayans to send the pod safely into outer space. The three Hydras are buried in a crevice after crash-landing on the moon somewhere, where they spend centuries feeding off antimatter particles from outer space.
This causes them to conjoin and fuse together into one giant, three-headed galactic Hydra, who also gains his signature gravity beams and cosmic powers from consuming the antimatter. Monarch henceforth names him King Ghidorah, his tag being a combination of his King of Terror nickname from the Mayans and a derivative of Hidora, the Japanese term for "Hydra".
So yes, I reworked certain bits of my last Ghidorah origin idea while keeping key characeristics intact. Basically, I did a more grounded approach to the "Dorat fusion" origin idea, and gave him his gravity beam abilities in much the same fashion as Godzilla gaining his atomic breath. If consuming nuclear energy as a food source gives him his nuclear breath, then Ghidorah consuming space antimatter could reasonably give him his gravity beams in similar fashion. Oh, and since this is a grounded franchise, and since dragons already kinda resemble snakes, I figured, why not have him evolve from them somehow in his new origin? This is probably as realistic as you can possibly get for a new origin for King Ghidorah, which isn't saying much since he's, again, probably the least realistic of all the Toho monsters, but it's not too terribly far off Godzilla's whole nuclear, plasma-breathing dinosaur origin as far as infeasibility is concerned.

The King of the Monsters
MemberMothra LarvaeNov-29-2014 2:45 PMI completely agree with Gman2887. Again I bring up my example of John Carpenter's The Thing. The extraterrestrial creature in the film arrived on Earth long ago in a spacecraft. How it piloted the craft or what the craft contains is never explained. Not to mention, the Thing's anatomy and abilities are completely unearthly and astonishing. But do they ever explain how it gained these abilities or how or why it came to Earth in the ship? No, they just realize how great of a threat the Thing is and try to survive. As far as the audience knows, the Thing could have been an experiment that killed the actual occupants of the spacecraft and caused it to crash to Earth, or an unstoppable sentient race that constructed the craft themselves to travel to Earth and assimilate its life. No definitive explanation is ever given, but the film remains grounded, the characters react realistically to their situation, and the Thing maintains a truly terrifying presence. This same basic formula could easily work for King Ghidorah.
"When man falls into conflict with nature, monsters are born." - Professor Hayashida, The Return of Godzilla

G. H. (Gman)
AdminGodzillaNov-29-2014 4:38 PM^Exactly. The Thing is one of the most chilling examples of this and it was exactly what I was thinking of when I mentioned movies that do this very well. We get a basic backstory of it arriving on Earth, but after that? Who cares! Not the people being killed and mimiced by the the Thing. That's for sure.
It was the same way for King Ghidorah in 1964 and should be again. He should be leveling the world too quickly for characters to care where he came from and that's where much of the attention should be for him anyway. Besides if the Legendary movie can get away with Godzilla and MUTO having simply existed, the sequel can with King Ghidorah as something otherworldly.

KManX89
MemberMothra LarvaeNov-30-2014 5:39 AMSorry, I meant to say "buried inside of an asteroid, and THEN sent to earth in said asteroid, accidentally or otherwise" in the last paragraph in my last post, stupid thing won't let me edit my posts.
But yeah, Ghidorah just magically birthing inside of an asteroid without an explanation of how he got there (via the Big Bang or some other cosmological event they made up just for him in the sequel) would be the very definition of a plot hole. I could understand if he was somehow buried/coccooned inside of a meteor while in space or on the moon or whatever and he moved through and from space while inside it via magnetic/galactic force energy he possesses, but as far as I know (and again, I'm no evolutionary or science expert), it's not possible for a creature to originate inside of an asteroid like they can on land.

TheGMan123
MemberTitanosaurusNov-30-2014 5:47 AMGood thing we weren't saying that :P
Also, did you guys check out my "planetary parasite" theory for the origin of the Legendary King Ghidorah?

KManX89
MemberMothra LarvaeNov-30-2014 8:47 AMAfter thinking about it some more and doing more Googling (if that's even a word), they could say he was caught in the middle of an asteroid belt and that's how he got there. Makes sense, seeing how asteroid belts create new meteors during collisions. Or he could've used his gravitational/magnetic powers to lure the smaller meteors within the asteroid belt all over his body to form one gigantic asteroid around himself. And he evolved and gained these galactic powers in space the same way Godzilla evolved and gained his nuclear powers on land: by centuries worth of absorbing dark/galactic energy from space as mentioned. They could do this and still keep the Mayan worship angle I brought up earlier, which is a good way for him to gain his "King of Terror" nickname in this new franchise from Legendary IMO.
Or better yet, the Monarch scientists (Graham and Serizawa) could say it's a theory, thus leaving some sense of mystery/ambiguity to his origin, something along the lines of "how his meteor came into existence, we are not sure, but we believe he burrowed himself within the middle of an asteroid belt using some sort of magnetic force."
To make it even better, they could say he's the only known lifeform from outer space because it's been said he would also destroy any potential extraterrestrial lifeforms in his centuries worth of galactic destruction.

Duratok
MemberMothra LarvaeNov-30-2014 10:13 AMIt doesn't even have to be an asteroid, it can be a rock-like "cocoon", a secretion it uses for space travel.

G. H. (Gman)
AdminGodzillaNov-30-2014 10:54 AM"But yeah, Ghidorah just magically birthing inside of an asteroid without an explanation of how he got there (via the Big Bang or some other cosmological event they made up just for him in the sequel) would be the very definition of a plot hole."
Not in the least.
"A gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot." - Motion Picture Narratives and Superlatives, 9th Edition
There's no inconsistancy with not explaining King Ghidorah's origin because there's no rule against it and it doesn't disrupt the flow of the storyline as far as we know right now-- Largely because there is no story at the moment.
It is however the definition of ambiguity:
"Doubtfulness or uncertainty of meaning or intention."
That's exactly what it was in 1964. Trying to come up with an explaination as to how he got there puts too much focus on it and could back fire, making it even sillier. Plus how exactly are these characters supposed to figure all this stuff out anyway? We reach and reach and reach with all of this goofy psuedo-science that helped torpedo the Godzilla series anyway and we're supposed to believe these "grounded" characters are able to figure out all of the intergalactic voodoo? Keep it simple. Tell the story and move on.

Durp004
MemberBaragonNov-30-2014 11:38 AMWhat do you really get from explaining him? The Xenomorph, the thing, the blob(the original not the military weapon in the remake) never had any explanation in their original movies. I know the lack of explanation for those monsters didn't ruin my viewing experience. We don't get a real backstory for the MUTOs and they're from earth. I don't think it would make more sense to give a backstory to a monster that isn't even form here. I would even like it more if someone asks and a character answers "I don't know." It adds a lot to see a monster that's destroying everything in it's path and have no idea why it's doing that or what it is.

KManX89
MemberMothra LarvaeDec-03-2014 11:59 AMAlso, how's this for an idea?
In a breaking news story from decades earlier, the mass extinction-causing meteor was actually found here on land (be it by paleontologists, Monarch scientists, whatever) and Monarch came in to research it. However, as Serizawa explains, NASA ordered the meteor be sent back to space before they can finish conducting tests on it, he tells the FBI this after he's brought in for questioning after some insane Ghidorah plot device is discovered (after all, no one would know better than he), I think a good example of one would be the ancient Mayan satellite, Black Knight, crash-landing onto earth with three tears in its exterior and a black box with extraterrestrial cackles on it found inside, this is taken straight from my Godzilla 2 story treatment I wrote and published online and even shared with you here in the GFW forum.
But then, here's the kicker: after a shocking discovery (since we're including the FBI in it in this idea, it might as well be them who finds this out after an investigation), it turns out, surprise, surprise, that it was actually MONARCH, not NASA, who ordered the meteor be launched back to space in the middle of tests, knowing the truth and wanting to desperately cover tracks, revealing another one of their shady cover-ups, I think that would make for an interesting twist. It would also explain the Ghidorah meteor crash-landing yet again on earth later on in the film's present time, which absolutely needs to happen IMHO.