To Gareth Edwards: The Direction Style of Godzilla 2

Umi- I agree, and thanks for some of the things you said in regards to GGs comments. But if you stick around you are going to see that GG gets hung up on Micheal Bay, without being able to see why some of us feel that G14 isn't really any better. I believe its to at least some degree, rationalization. I'm not sure why I allow myself to get dragged into all of this.

Alright, people, I think there's been enough of this. I will end it right here. The style of directing so far? I think it's good, with just a few minor tweaks needed, that I shall list below :D

First and foremost: retain the "less is more" approach, but give a tiny bit more to what we do see, enough so that scenes don't feel as "cut away" as many have claimed

Second: showcase a bit more natural progression of the knowledge we learn a.k.a. no huge one-up exposition periods a.k.a. "steady but not overwhelming stream"

Third: show more of the impact on Human society as a whole with the revelation of metaphorical "gods" using our cities and living spaces as battlegrounds

Fourth: maintain the grandeur of the monsters, and the angles that show off their sheer size

Fifth: pace out the story more smoothly so that the characters fit more naturally into their roles

I think we'll never be done until GG actually gets it. He keeps assuming that everyone here wants the movie to go FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT, but no-one is.

I'll spell it out once again for you. Pike wants a great story. I want the tease to stop. Let's not have them. I'm even fine with them walking around. Just don't troll the audience. I don't want more fighting, I just want Gareth to put the fight where they should be, not constantly cutting away. No, I don't want 2 creatures staring at each other with murderous intent and then there's no action between them. I don't want them slamming in each other and I get to see one bite and the action ends.

Don't ever insult people telling them they are a Michael Bay fan or not a Godzilla fan. You are getting more and more annoying with every comment by acting all high and mighty and judging other people.

@The Gman

I completely agree.

Im actually getting everything, but im  trying to convincing all of you on how crazy your opinion is.

ThePike to say a MichealBay film has a better story then the new Godzilla is literally, like you lose all credibillity.

Almost all the godzilla films have boring human characters and storyline's, just like this one.

Take Godzilla 2000, you really thought those characters were better then G 2014's? I mean sure they had interesting dialog and more Godzilla scenes, but when Godzilla appears in 2000 you dont feel his presence, you dont feel the awesome and kingly nature that you feel in 2014.

in 2000 sure Gojira was in for 20 minutes (Im actually not sure about that i think he was in there for lik 15) it was bland and was like one of those, alright im done and gonna take a nap films.

You say the Heisei films had a tons of Godzilla?

Godzilla 84- 12 minutes

Godzilla vs Biollante- 9 minutes

Godzilla vs King ghidorah- 8 minutes

Godzilla vs MechaG 2- 14 minutes

Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla- 12 minutes

Godzilla vs Destoroyah- 15 minutes

Nonetheless its always in the teen range nothing more.

Infact most of the best of Heisei had less then Godzilla 2014 had.

What also shocks me is how ungrateful you two are.

There hasnt ever been a good Cgi Godzilla movie, let alone a good american one.

And we actually got a great one and you complain about it. ThePike your opinion on the film is weird in the way how you accuse me of things when you barely know what screen times most godzilla films have and the cutaways they do compared to the cutaways Godzilla 2014 had.

Take Destroy all monsters, they show Godzilal coming into the city then a 10 minute cutaway.

Anyways im done here as you dont know what your talking about and barely understand what Godzilla films screen time is.

More meat to the tile character Koldwarkid?

So you mean like a ful fledged fight on every seen Godzilla appears in? You know losing the feeling of suspense and danger that Gareth was going for, you know taking away the feel of godzilla by wanting him to fight a creature that he can easily kill for 2 hours. And before you all go on your BS of (NO WE DONT WANT HIM TO FIGHT FOR 2 HOURS WE WANTED JUST TO SEE GODZILLA WITH LESS SMOKE BECAUSE IT LOOKS MORE AWESOMERR!!)

Okay, GorillaGodzilla, I think that's enough. They simply didn't like some aspects of the film, and those were deal-breakers to them. Doesn't mean they are to others, like us, but, you know, you might wanna tone it down a bit, okay? o3o

*****Rage levels lower*****

You didn't read at all. GG.

I completely understand why the techniques CAN be used in the FIRST one. I considered it great. In which part do I say I don't like the first movie ?

I am not ungrateful to the first movie. I paid for the movie tickets 6 times in 4 different theaters just to finally find an audience that will finally scream with me at the Atomic Breath. And I bought the Bluray discs package on the day it came out. I absolutely loved the first movie.

The point that I was trying to deliver is the techniques that works the first time probably won't work a second time. People has been teased, and they get it, that teasing was one of the main part of the first movie, they understand the teasing's purpose. But for the  sequel, do we still want to be teased ?

I am trying to make some legitimate suggestions here. I want this series to succeed and its success means it will continue to grow and we will have even more Godzilla movies in the future.

And just for nitpicking: About Godzilla fighting in every scene he appears in: I did not say that, the fights can be limited but just put them where they need to be... So pretty much I'm saying if you're opening a fight scene, finish it or don't even put the opening in. Even just them walking around is better than cliffhangers.

So pretty much not complaining at all about the past, just worrying about the future ones.

And some other nitpickings: While it's true past Godzilla films has the amount of screen time you listed, you gotta admit they looked really darn clear. Godzilla was never covered by all other elements that much. Take the Megaguirus movie, he was in broad daylight, on an island, shooting atomic breath at those pesky mini Megaguirus.

The fight between him and Zilla in Final Wars, or his silhoette when the female character was on her bike recording him in GMK (2001), the scenes with him in Vs Destroyah are also very clear. The Battle for Earth one with Mothra and Batra showcases him clearly in the dark as well.

In space Godzilla and mechagodzilla, again he looked really clear. So even if it's that amount of screen time, you feel content. You don't feel like you could have had more, like in the 2014.

Credit is where credits due: I'm content seeing him revealed at the airport, the bridge, the Atomic Breaths, the smack down with the Female MUTO. I feel like I want more at: right after the airport stare down, after the bite then they shut the doors, at the shadows of Godzilla right after the Halo drop, at the tail waving after he enters Honohulu.

You know GG when you make up numbers it makes anything you say less credible. The final fight scene in Godzilla vs Spacegodzilla is almost 30 minutes long and you expect me to believe that he only appears in it for under 10 minutes since prior to that he had scenes rampaging through the city and fighting Spacegodzilla on Birth island? Yeah I don't know where you're getting what are apparently at least semi made up numbers of Godzilla screen time but if you don't know them don't list them, as I said it just makes you less credible.

As for Gareth's choice it worked for this movie semi well. It was the introduction the character needed to be built up and have suspence behind him, but that being said it was widely disliked by the general audience. Almost every review addressed it as a negative and no matter what Gareth may want to do, when you have a concensus that something is bad and hurt the film from a general audience, who I know most of you don't know this but, are more important than the small amount of g fans that make up box office receipts chances are it will be changed.

IMO i'm fine with him keeping his filming style. Through the angles he chose he was able to show the size of the monsters in a way that wasn't achievable with suitmation.

As for the teasing, I think for GODZILLA it should stop. He's no longer a mystery, the world has seen him. No reason to hide it. I'm totally fine if Rodan, Mothra, and King Ghidorah get little screen time and teases.

Cut outs were a fun way to poke at the audiences expectations but for the sequel it should be removed.

Adding a few more minutes of screen time wouldn't be bad either, or at least spread it out evenly throughout the film. The first film had most of it at the end of the film.

Durpoo- its actually 14 minutes for Spacegodzilla, the final scene is 30 minutes long, but that takes up the time for, Moguera to fight, Spacegodzilla to do things while fighting Moguera and Godzilla to appear after every other scene, remember Godzilla is in every shot of the final battles.

Durpoo also im not going to really engage you since we have fought many time about Godzilla 2014, i know your personallity and you will never agree so.

The funny thing here is that GG is trying to defend G 14 to Godzilla fans. WE ARE ALL FANS! Who would come to this site as a casual viewer of Godzilla movies? Look, we all wanted to LOVE this film. After the dissapointment that was G98(for me,) you could say I waited 35 years for this movie. That's a long time! Do you think I just decided to be underwhelmed by this movie so I could argue with some Micheal Bay obsessed comments poster on a fan site? I put a lot of hope in this movie and so did a lot of others, as seen by many comments above. While there where things worth liking, it has many weaknesses to both hardcore fans and the general audience. So much so that it's the argument that is more indestructable than Godzilla himself! The oxygen destroyer could not kill this argument.

But you want to know what GG? I'm glad you loved it. At least someone did.

Wow Pike...So now your saying no one loved the movie? a Class A narcisist so the 73% on rotten tomatoes is nothing. Its overall good rating from audience is nothing, the the fact that most people on this site like it! That right there has ended are arguement, you are a dope.

The thing is....... we're all arguing points that are either deal-breakers or not between fans and general audiences. What some might consider a fatal flaw, others did not. I personally think this film is better than most previous ones by sheer virtue of its production value and direction, especially when compared to late Showa, Heisei, and Millenium films.

Story-wise and character-wise in comparison to previous films for me? About equal or lesser, and a bit better, respectively. However, I respect that others think differently. This film's flaws easily are less noticeable than in previous Godzilla flicks to me, and I'm proud to say I might be in the minority C:

Well at the end of the day, what PIKE said.

I'm sorry I couldn't keep my cool. I pretty much lost it when I'm told I'm not a true Godzilla fan even after all my efforts to get whatever I can of the movie or to reach this forum and actually posted something I'm serious about.

So...no hard feelings ?

Umi Kun its fine, im just chocked at the blatan disrespect people have for this rletively good film.