Separating Fact from Speculation

@ GMAN2887: not according to InstinctiveGigan and others, who were actually AT the event. And like somebody else said, why would you announce enemies for future installments at the panel for the next one? That would be like LP and WB revealing Doomsday during the announcement for the first Man of Steel movie when, as we all know, we did not get Doomsday, we got General freaking Zod in that movie, or Darkseid for the first Justice League film panel only to have him in Justice League 2, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever especially when you've already been nailed once before for deceptive marketing with the previous film, even from those who said they enjoyed it.

Considering how up in arms people were about "being lied to" about Cranston being the lead from the adverts in the first film despite ATJ being featured just as much in them, if I'm GE or TT, I don't even wanna think about the backlash that would surely follow "oh snap, they're actually not all going to be in the second movie together, even though we gave you teaser footage at the Godzilla 2 (emphasis added!) panel with all 3 of 'em in it, not the Godzilla sequelS panel!" Could you imagine how much that'll piss people off and drive audiences away from the upcoming sequels? That's Deceptive Marketing, heck, Marketing Perjury 101 right there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjNKj7XJ-bM#t=124

There you go, TW_GFan, Thomas Tull clearly uttered the words "Godzilla 2" right then and there, not "Godzilla 2 and '3'", not "Godzilla sequelS", Godzilla 2 (emphasis added)! And that was taken straight from the Godzilla 2 CC panel. Let's hear your spin doctor vitriol now.

Also, gotta love this precious gem you posted: "Legendary has no rights to other Toho monsters at this time, and if they acquire the rights to more we won't hear about it anytime soon." Tell me: how stupid do you feel knowing that they acquired the rights to not one, not two, but count it: three Toho monsters not even a month after you posted this bile?

PS, Bigbadben, I don't understand why you don't just ban him, this guy is a pretentious prick.

I agree with above. This guy is really rude and mean and all he does is shoot down ideas. He adds nothing to discussions, he only says "[Insert idea here] will never happen. I'm right and you're an idiot if you don't agree with me." He's even had to apologize for mean statements and retract them before, but then he just does it again. I'm getting really tired of his negativity.

Kmanx,
The issue isn't about being lied to, it's about wording things carefully. Legendary, in all of its press release information, has been very careful with how they announce these monsters, none of which have said, "Rodan, Mothra and King Ghidorah will be in Godzilla 2."

Even the video you posted has Thomas Tull phrasing the announcment with, "to maybe show what we're thinking for the future," and "well... that's what we want to do..."

By all accounts it sounds like these three monsters are going to be in the sequel and Legendary has every intention of making that happen. But I think the reason Legendary and Tull are playing coy with some clarification is simply because there is no script yet. Borenstein has tweeted he'll be working on Godzilla 2, but he has to worry about Skull Island first. What if Borenstein and other writers take a stab at the script and stuffing three iconic monsters into the movie doesn't work? What if they decide to omit one or two monsters during the writing process? Well if they do omit a monster (or two) it simply means they never really lied about it and can use the absent monster for a future installment.

This isn't about trickery it's simply that there is no Godzilla 2 screenplay. Although Tull seems to have an idea of what he wants to do next, it doesn't always work that way. It's a "safe" announcment until they can figure out how to plow all three monsters into one film.

Off the topic, K-Manx, although TW is fairly antagonistic with his posts he hasn't specifically broken any rules. Big Bad Ben and other mods do not have the power to ban people and TW has done nothing to warrant an immediate ban. That being said, aggressive name calling is against the rules and I ask you tone down your attitude and not succumb to his level.

And there's the kicker, original GMan. For the behaviour he has consistently displayed, for all intents and purposes, most of the community would probably agree he ought to just be banned. But then, he's not officially doing anything wrong, even though it's clear that the rest of us can't tolerate what he says all the time. It may not be against the rules, but the rules don't cover everything. I would like it if he just quit being so uptight and acting superior, but I know that isn't gonna happen.

The only way that'll happen is if his actions, regardless of official recognition or not, mustn't go unpunished.

I agree that banning this guy may not be the best way to go, but at the very least he should be warned to start phrasing his posts in a more dignified manner and acknowledging that his opinion isn't fact. He should have worded this particular topic like "The truth is that Legendary has made no official announcement confirming the monsters for Godzilla 2 so we cannot truly factually state that the are confirmed at this point." instead of the insulting and rude way he chose to word it.

Gentlemen, I'm dealing with TW myself. The discussion about "what to do" with him ends here as that is not up to any of the members.

With all due respect, most forums do have rules against flaming other members, for obvious reasons, I don't see why that wouldn't be a banable offense here. 

Half the time, I really think he's trolling and intentionally spin-doctoring things any way he can for the sole purpose of trashing whatever ideas people have to contribute on here. His (extremely immature) posts are so full of bad logic and blatant exaggerations/nitpicks, it's not even funny.

For example: him saying MechaGodzilla could not happen because it would fall apart when trying to build something that massive while basically insisting that a 350 ton nuclear dinosaur would be able to romp around cities without collapsing under his own weight (as he keeps calling this a "grounded" universe devoid of unrealistic ideals), and don't even get me started on his constant "there's not gonna be any Toho monsters, you're an idiot if you think there will be" and "if you think they'll use a Toho monster, you're saying they can't' succeed without ripping off of Toho's success".

By his own "logic", they shouldn't have made this a Godzilla reboot to begin with (as you yourself pointed out, GMan, after all, what do you call them using their most famous monster and prized possession?) and both Dark Knight films should've just had a new villain instead of Joker and Bane, respectively. After all, they've showed they can create compelling new villains in the past in Red Hood, who's to say they can't do it again instead of living off the success of past creations, right, RIGHT?! PFF! Glad he wasn't in charge of the LP/WB creative hearings when discussing ideas for the 2 Nolan Batman sequels, because knowing his spin-doctored anti-logic he constantly spews on here, I'll bet that's exactly what would've ended up happening if it were up to him.

^My bad, I wrote this as you posted your last message, GMan, I apologize, I wasn't aware of it, that's the last I'll split hairs on the subject, carry on.